Interview with Stephen Horgan, Director of Snatch and Bail

 “I went up to the people at the desk and said, ‘Hi, we’re the filmmakers.’ They just looked at us and said, ‘What?’”

Stephen Horgan, a first year student at UCD, has just completed his first feature film Snatch and Bail. “It’s hard to talk about or explain,” he says giving a shy laugh, “but I suppose it’s about two burglars who decide to frame a serial killer. It’s kind of a crime-caper, dark comedy film.”

Snatch and Bail, which will debut at the UCD Cinema tomorrow afternoon, currently runs at 90 minutes and stars two professional actors, notably Dave Duffy of Fair City. Yet despite sounding both professional and polished the film’s production was anything but, and in short proved to be a production nightmare:  It was produced with almost no money and the production team was tiny; the cameraman was also in charge of holding the boom while Horgan’s own parents starred as extras in the film, which took place in their family home. Was Horgan surprised that the film actually came into fruition?

“YES. Even, there was a moment three days into filming where I was going to say, ‘Look this isn’t going to work,’ and the only thing that stopped me from shutting the whole thing down was the actress, Nisha Kamat, who had travelled from Donegal to appear in the film.

“That was just the first round of problems we ran into. One day we were meant to film in a coffee shop and I phoned up the marketing people and arranged to film on the premise. We went in pretty early the following morning so it would be quiet and relatively empty. It wasn’t. In fact it was quite full. I went up to the desk and said ‘Hi, we’re the filmmakers,’ and they just looked at us and said ‘What?’

“That alone was one of those Oh-my-God moments but we also had actors on set who I’d never met before and who were filming scenes that day. They eventually let us go on with filming because they thought we were nice – or at least that’s what they told my parents who were extras.”

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Throughout our conversation it was clear that money was a big threat in terms of the film’s completion. Given the strains associated with filming on almost no budget, would Horgan say that Snatch and Bail is quite amateur or does it stand up to professionally produced films?

“I don’t know how it stands up to professional films but based on what people have told me, it looks good. It looks as though there was more money put in than there was. That said there are scenes where the boom has crept in and the shots have needed to be cropped. There’s one scene that we simply couldn’t include because the boom is in it.

“I’m way too scared to say that it will stand up to other professionally filmed movies but I’m really proud of it personally. I was watching it on my laptop – only bits of it because to watch the whole thing would drive me crazy. I was watching these bits to make sure that there were no mistakes because I do not want to cringe when I watch back over it. And it felt proper if you know what I mean. Well… There was one moment that didn’t feel right but that’s going to be edited.”

So, what inspired Horgan to make a film?

“When I started first year (Horgan recently completed a three-year degree in English and Film Studies) I had this image, which popped into my head; My sister and I had gone to a garage, probably to buy phone credit or something, and I got this image of two people – a guy and a girl – completely dressed in black and following someone. That image just stuck in my head.

“I had already been involved in a short film (Les Voyeurs), which is about two burglars who get themselves into sticky situations. I liked the idea, so I put the image of the two people from the garage into that burglar scenario and that really was the direction that the film went.  That was how the whole thing meshed together.

“It also came out of procrastinating for exams. After I made the short film (December 2010) I knew the characters and these funny moments just came into my head. I just got this real impulse to make a story out of it and write it down.”

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Given that Snatch and Bail was adapted from a short film but was earlier described as ‘hard to explain’, I was curious to find out if Horgan’s debut was complex or straightforward. The answer I received was, ‘It’s simple but complicated in parts…’

What?

“The story isn’t the most complicated thing in the world. There’s a back-story too but it’s not complicated either. The story lends itself to funny situations, which are pretty straightforward, but the way it’s structured might be a little confusing. Basically no one will know what’s going on for about the first six minutes.”

And were shots important or did the story take precedence?

“The shots were very important; I cared about those a lot and thought hard about which ones would go in. I had a few shots in my head for a long time including the two people dressed in dark clothes, which came to me at the garage. That shot’s in the film.”

And as a past Film Studies student, were there any notable influences?

“Have you ever heard of a film called Pierrot le Fou? Well I hate that film but reading about it really influenced Snatch and Bail.”

Throughout my conversation there were two emotions that constantly emerged: total exasperation at the lack of money and excitement over the actors’ performances. When describing the actors, Horgan used adjectives like ‘great’ and ‘brilliant’ and admitted that his own character was probably upstaged several times throughout the film.

“We had three cases of actors having to drop out though,” he told me. “One of those was a major character but that actor’s replacement was really good so I don’t really mind.

“We also have a character (played by Dave Duffy) that’s in Fair City,” he enthused. We didn’t even have to pay him and he was a really nice. Working with him was amazing and he’s great in the film. He’s enjoyable to watch too, and one of the few performances that I don’t get fed up watching – and that’s not me going on about anyone else’s performance – I’ve just seen the film over and over again but every time I watch it I still find his scenes enjoyable.”

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Inevitably, my last question asked what the future might hold for Snatch and Bail and if we might hear more about it going forward. “Well I’m going to try and put it into festivals but I need to edit (or pay someone to edit) the aspect ratios. I think if I get that sorted I’ll enter it to the Jameson Festival. I’d love it to go as far as possible although we have sound problems too, which also need to be looked at. But at the moment I’m just looking forward to the UCD showing. I’d hate to think that that would be the end of it. I’d like to think it’ll go further and be seen by a wider audience.”

Given the non-stop battle between the director’s enthusiasm and the limitations that come with almost no money or funding it’s difficult to know what to expect from Stephen Horgan’s feature debut. Last year, the movie’s tagline read, ‘A world where the only thing that outmatches a passion for crime is a crime of passion’. That has since been changed to a simpler yet somewhat ambiguous ‘You don’t know what you’re missing’.  That phrase rings particularly true. Until tomorrow’s showing, it’s hard to know what to expect.

Snatch and Bail will preview at UCD Cinema at 2.30PM on Saturday 17 November.

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Stephen Horgan completed his undergraduate degree at UCD last year, majoring in English and Film Studies. He has been making short films since 2009 and writes, produces and directs in his spare time. He is currently studying French and Spanish in UCD.

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